https://discordapp.com/channels/408560956340305921/408666492893396993/729005675195269171
Like the Blood of Vol, the Silver Flame is a topic where there wasn't a clear consensus on the original vision and where many authors have divergent ideas. It's not SUPPOSED to be based on any religion in our world, but many authors project issues with religions in our world onto it.
As a result, canon IS NOT CONSISTENT. Books that I didn't work on -- notably Five Nations, Faiths of Eberron, and Forge of War -- all present different visions and aren't necessarily consistent with one another.
I can concretely say that the reason we originally called out corruption in the church was NOT because the CotSF was supposed to be the MOST corrupt faith in the setting, but calling out that even in this bastion of light humans don't always live up to their ideals. But the core ideas are noble and the bulk of the faithful TRY to live up to them.
Faiths of Eberron presents the idea that the faithful believe it's possible to somehow end evil, when to me, the core lesson of the Flame is that you CANNOT destroy evil. The Flame EXISTS because the overlords couldn't be destroyed, only bound. The lesson of the Flame is one of courage and duty: we must always be vigilant against evil, prepared to fight its supernatural manifestations, and to try to suppress the negative emotions that strengthen it. The overlords feed on rage, fear, greed, hate -- we need to rise above those things to keep them at bay.
Humans hold no special status in the eyes of the Flame. It was kindled long ago and the orcs have carried its light long before human civilization existed. The Pure Flame exists as an example of people who DON'T understand this: but the core faith is supposed to understand that we need to protect ALL innocents, not one species over another.
Likewise, one of the biggest things I think authors overlook is that Eberron is not our world. It is a world where supernatural evil is a real, concrete threat. It is a world where hidden demons ARE manipulating humanity, where demonic apocalypse is never more than a day away, when aberrations could burst out of Khyber or ghouls could rise in the graveyard. Templars aren't here to tell you HOW to live your life. They are selfless people who want to make sure that you CAN live your life, because they will keep you from being killed by these horrors. At least, that's the goal.
Q: Your article on Miron's Tears presents a bleaker view of the Church of the Silver Flame, somewhat less so in Thrane itself, but certainly so in Breland.
That's correct, ESE, because BRELAND SUCKS.
It's not remotely about the faith; it's the idea that BRELAND is a more fundamentally corrupt nation than the others.
The Church of the Sovereigns is ALSO far more corrupt in Breland than in other nations. The point of Miron's Tears is that people are imperfect. It's not that the FAITH is intolerant or cruel; it's that humanity won't always live up to it.
Likewise, the idea that the theocracy has created more opportunity for corruption, because it's now possible for people to enter the church because they want political power, not because they want to protect people from evil. In my opinion, yes. I have never USED the Silver Torch in a campaign, because again, it was created in a book I didn't work on and I disagree with the author's interpretation of the faith.
Thrane is where the faith began. And it BEGAN because a woman selflessly sacrificed her life to protect her people -- not just humans, but people of all the species found in Thrane -- from an overlord.
Where it's spread to Breland and to Aundair it has often strayed, but Thrane remains the place where the MAJORITY take its core lessons to heart, because Thrane only exists because ot Tira's selfless sacrifice.
One of the key points of Eberron is that things aren't supposed to be simple or perfect. It was always the intention that the CotSF is flawed; that there IS corruption, that there ARE extremists. But that was never supposed to be its defining feature.
https://discord.com/channels/408560956340305921/408666492893396993/1243332391117000715
The religions of Eberron are something where my original vision (IE: Blood of Vol not always evil, CotSF has excellent archers) didn't get fully incorporated at the start and I slowly pushed it in the direction I wanted it to be. Hence, Faiths of Eberron has some things I entirely agree with (the Hierarchy of Evil) and some things I strongly disagree with (the idea that the CotSF believes that they are headed toward a perfect purified world... whereas my vision has always been we must always fight to keep the eternal evils contained).
In the case of the Pure Flame, my vision has always been that there have been aspects of it in the core church since the begining, but that it really took root in Aundair in the wake of the Silver Crusade. The core mission statement of the main church is protect the innocent from evil—the Silver Flame is a SHIELD for the innocent. It's this mission -- protect the innocent -- that brought the templars to the Towering Wood to fight the lycanthropic surge in the first place. But once the power of the Wild Heart was broken, you had a population that had lived in fear of the lycanthropes for decades, who have lost friends and loved ones, and who wanted VENGEANCE. They didn't want a shield; they wanted a sword. So they took the principles of the faith and converted it as an outlet for anger and hate -- a weapon to PUNISH those they saw as evil rather than to shield the innocent. And they considered this to be the purest form of the Flame -- because they would smite evil BEFORE the innocents were harmed. This in turn led to the horrors of the Lycanthropic Purge, where Puritans sought to root out hidden lycanthropes, regardless of the number of innocents hurt in the process.
The Pure Flame sprang from that point, but continued to spread with righteous zeal. It's based on the principle that it feels GOOD to be angry, to blame evil for your problems, and to lash out rather than to cultivate empathy. And again, while it has supporters in the wider Church, Aundair was its stronghold because of the Silver Crusade.
In my campaign, there has always been tension between the Flamekeep and the Pure Flame (despite the Puritans claiming to be devoted to the Keeper) because of this aggressive outlook. Meanwhile, the Puritans were never loved or trusted in Aundair itself because of the fear that they were a fifth column for Thrane. When Thrane claimed Thaliost, appointing Dariznu served a number of purposes. It placed an Aundairian in charge of the city, and it strengthened ties between Flamekeep and the Pure Flame. Again, in my campaign, Dariznu's position cause a flood of Puritans from across Aundair to migrate to Thaliost -- giving the Church a stronger position in the city. This was bumped by the fact that many of the ancestral roots of the Puritan families were in the western lands—what's now the Eldeen Reaches. So Thaliost instantly became a stronghold, but with the drawback that it's a PURITAN stronghold that Flamekeep doesn't really control.
What's the role of the Silver Flame in Aundair?
The Silver Flame is supposed to be a widespread, popular religion throughout the Five Nations, not just Thrane. My vision was always that Thrane is where you had the most widespread devotion but also the strongest adherance to the core principles of the faith, because it's where the Church was born; Tira's sacrifice and devotion to the Flame saved the people of Thrane from Bel Shalor. There IS supposed to be corruption in Thrane, because the basic principle of Eberron is that NO ONE IS PERFECT. In Thrane in particular, corruption has risen in the last century because of the theocracy; you have people striving to rise into the church from a desire for political power rather than devotion to the principles of the faith. Breland has the most greed-driven corruption within the local church because Breland is the worst, but that's not universal. Meanwhile, the idea of Aundair is that it wasn't particularly devoted to the Flame UNTIL the Silver Crusade / Lycanthropic Purge. The Templars essentially saved Aundair from the werewolf apocalypse, but after enduring a decade of terror, the survivors latched onto the Flame not just as a shield to defend the innocent but as a weapon to smite their enemies -- seeking vengeance for all of their loss and suffering. This is the origin of the Pure Flame. Like the first Church it was inspired by a nation being saved from supernatural destruction, but where the faith of Thrane is driven by Tira's sacrifice, the Pure Flame is driven by anger and aggression. However, it was never widespread in Aundair; it was focused in the west, where they suffered the most from the Silver Crusade.
Comparing Thrane to Aundair, the church was born when Tira sacrificed herself to defend the innocent. The Pure Flame was born when templars killed 'thropes—and it was a weapon that allowed people who had lived in terror for decades could seize and use against the people they blamed for their suffering. Again: the core faith is a shield, but the Pure Flame see it as a sword.
But a critical thing to remember is that the major religions transcend nationality. The people of Thrane are GENERALLY the most aligned with Tira's principles, but you can find both Whispering Flame cultists and people driven by the desire for political power. Aundair is the stronghold of the Pure Flame, but you can find Puritans in Thrane and across Khorvaire. Breland has the highest degree of greed-driven corruption, but there are still countless people devoted to its true principles. From Sharn: City of Towers: While he is disillusioned with his superiors, Mazin Tana still believes in the ideals of the Church and does his best to help those in need. If the party needs the aid of a true priest of the Silver Flame, Mazin is one of the few people who can help them.
The other key point is that corruption isn't supposed to be unique to the Church of the Silver Flame and you actually see as much or MORE greed or power-driven corruption in other faiths; there are countless Vassal priests looking to line their pockets. This reflects Eberron's noir roots and the general idea that people are imperfect, and it's a reason Eberron changed the rules so clerics didn't have to match the alignment of their divine power source. We wanted Eberron to feel REAL, and that meant that even in the bastion of the light you can find people who fall prey to a lust for gold or for power, or who are blinded by their zeal and inflict harm on others in the name of the greater good. But the Church is defined by a paladin laying down her life to protect all innocents from an overlord, just as the Flame itself was forged from native celestials sacrificing their independent existence to protect mortals from the overlords. It is unlike any religion in our world because it is devoted to protecting innocents from REAL, CONCRETE supernatural threats, and because it draws on a real concrete supernatural force. The fact that there is corruption in the Church is supposed to be a compelling story because it's rare -- because even in this lone bastion for light there are flaws -- not that it defines the entire institution.
And it you DO want a force of intolerant zealots, that's the narrative purpose of the Pure Flame. And even there, there's a REASON for it; the core faith was based on an act of heroic sacrifice, while the Pure Flame arose from a place of vengeful persecution.
Source: Discord Q&A
Currently, the Keeper of the Flame with the longest historical reign was Saren Rellek, who lead the church for 88 years. Would you say this is because they were a non-human Keeper? Is the tiefling sanctuary of Rellekor named after them?
Yes, on both counts. While it is tempting to suggest that Rellek was a tiefling, if there was a tiefling Keeper in power for nearly a century, I feel that tieflings would have a better reputation than they do. In my Eberron, Saren was a Khoravar. Half-elves make up a tenth of the population of Thrane, so it’s not a shocking shift; nonetheless, it may be due to their Khoravar heritage that they were especially concerned with oppressed minorities and helped establish the tiefling sanctuary that bears their name.